And let's not forget that Bush signed a right to die law in Texas as governor.

Again, Ziggy, you're totally avoiding the issue. The issue here is that she never actually wrote down or said in the presence of legal witnesses that she would like to die in this situation. The entire story is completely ridiculous. What it boils down to is, it looks as though her husband tried to kill her to begin with, when that didn't work, mysterious broken bones occurred 7 months after being in the hospital, as an invalid. Following that, he did try to get her some therapy, but then completely stopped and has been abusive and despicable ever since. Look it up. I'm not making any of this up. He's trying to kill his wife, and liberals are just fine with that. In fact, they're in favor of it.

Can you give an example of a liberal who supports removal of the tube for the reasons you say?

Yes, Judge Grier is the first name that comes to mind.

What about Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA) and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay.

Umm...scratch that, DeLay wasn't dissenting. And he's a republican. just kidding. But I'm still sticking with Waxman.

What was Judge Grier's reasoning?

What was Judge Grier's reasoning?

Ziggy, do the research. Prior to Wednesday, Michael Schiavo had what appeared to be full support of the Democrats. Then Wednesday evening Lanny Davis (from Clinton Admin.) appeared on Bill O'Reilly's show in support of life for Terri. He admits he is only a handful of Democrats at most who are speaking out.

Kudos to Lanny.

Hugh Hewitt's blog directed his readership (mostly conservative) to a Canadian Lesbian's blog in support of life for Terri--she is a liberal who has started a movement of sending food and water by the boxfuls to the hospice where Terri is, simply in a show of solidarity.

She's taking shrapnel from her side of the isle on this and has said in her blog how touched she has been by the kindness and polite discourse she's received from conservatives.

I'm happy to do the research to support my own assertions, but it was Emily's assertion that liberals support the disconnecting of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube despite the fact that it is really not her wish but is instead a conspiracy for financial gain. This implies that liberals are supporting it with the understanding that this is in fact the motive. I am asking for her to substantiate this claim. That is not my burden to prove but hers. So far no one has provided even a single example of a liberal who supports disconnecting the tube for this reason, let alone sufficient justification to conclude that liberals in general support it for this reason.

It all boils down to one's pov. Emily is right in asserting that for the most part liberals support removing the feeding tube--based upon a very narrow interpretation of the law--not based upon compassion for Terri. Conservatives are upset because an innocent human life is at the mercy of this law; they tried to change it, they did and still the judiciary ignored it. This should not be so.

I did not claim that all liberals support removing her feeding tube for financial gain. I'm saying Michael Schiavo and George Felos and other lawyers are in it for financial gain (and Michael wants to remarry and finally get rid of his wife).

Your everyday, run-of-the-mill liberal supports this because he's confused and belongs to what many have coined "the culture of death." This could be a very long post on the topic. I'll save it for another day. But to clarify, I don't think that all liberals who support this support it because they're getting cut backs. That's stupid.

Bottom line: Terri would have more rights and more attorneys fighting for her life than she'd know what to do with if she were a convicted criminal, pedophile, dual citizen or something else other than an innocent, white female, most likely the product of domestic abuse.

(But God bless the congressional Black Caucus (all dems) that has been fighting for her.)

Bush has himself signed a right to die law as governor of Texas in 1999, the Advance Directives Act. This law not only empowers next of kin to make decisions about discontinuing life support, but enabled a judge to override those decisions on the determination of doctors. Just a few weeks ago under this law a hospital in Houston disconnected a 6-month-old baby from life support over the objections of its mother. If Terri Schiavo were in Texas the law would mandate the removal of the feeding tube: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002215324_texaslaw22.html

When I pointed out this law above, to distinguish this case from those that come under the Texas law you asserted that Terri Schiavo did not give instructions to her husband to die and that her husband's real motive was financial. You then said this:

"He's trying to kill his wife, and liberals are just fine with that. In fact, they're in favor of it."

This clearly implies that liberals are in favor of the removal of the tube for the reasons that you assert are her husband's real motives. I then asked you to give an example of a liberal who has supported it for this reason, which you have still not done.

I did not say that you claimed liberals were themselves motivated by financial gain. This is a mischaracterization of my question.

If you are saying liberals are supporting it for the reasons that govern the law in this case, then I would ask again how you can distinguish between their reasons and those that motivated Bush to sign the 1999 Texas law.

Ziggy, for the love of Pete, I did give you names of liberals who support Schiavo killing his wife...George Felos and Judge Grier are two to start. There are others in congress (about 54 of them...all liberal) who do as well. I said that liberals favor the death of his wife. I cannot determine their complete motives, but I can say they're supporting something sick.

The Texas law has nothing to do with anything I've said. Literally, nothing. I'm completely at a loss for why you even brought it up. It has nothing to do with Terri's situation.

I'm not sure why you don't understand this. You have said that there are two sides, for and against Terri's life. These correspond to two cultures, culture of life and culture of death. In the former you put Bush and his supporters, in the latter you put liberals.

Yet Bush has in fact signed a right to die law. Therefore he does not belong in the culture of life group on the basis of this issue.

In terms of the liberals, you are eliding a distinction between supporting removal of the tube and supporting it for the criminal reasons that you impute to her husband. You have not established that the reasons liberals support it are any different from the reasons for which Bush signed the Advance Directives Act.

Therefore you have not established a clear distinction between Bush supporters and liberals on this issue, and your characterization of liberals as belonging to a culture of death and Bush to a culture of life on the basis of this issue does not work.

This is interesting. Another member of the "culture of life," House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, who has denounced the removal of the feeding tube from Terri Schiavo as an "act of barbarism," pulled the plug on his own father in 1988.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=512&e=16&u=/ap/brain_damaged_woman_delay

Is this a culture of life or a culture of hypocrisy?

Maybe you should read the rest of the article you linked us to. The whole DeLay family agreed it was the right thing to do. Besides, Charles DeLay was brain dead, Terri Schiavo is not. She can swallow her own saliva and follow a colorful balloon held in front of her. The only one who wants to starve her to death is her husband. The family would willingly take care of her, but Mr. Shiavo doesn't want them to have control of her care! Why can't he just give them custody? Oh, wait, she's got an insurance policy. That's right...he'll get money from her death.

Here are some thought provoking questions to consider:

1. When Terri Schiavo expires, will the way be clear for Michael Schiavo and George Felos to then be charged with conspiracy to commit premeditated murder for financial gain?

2. Can both of them be charged now with conspiracy even if Terri is still alive? When are the arrest warrants scheduled to be issued for Michael Schiavo and George Felos?

3. When is Michael Schiavo scheduled to be served with papers regarding his physical abuse of Terri and his misappropriation of the funds from the substantial lawsuit settlement.

4. Who is the investigating officer or agency that has been assigned to handle the investigation of either the physical abuse charges to Terri and the conspiracy to commit premeditated murder plot?

5. When is the hospice where Terri is staying going to be investigated and shut down for Medicare and insurance fraud?

6. When are these investigations to be shown on the local or national news? Is the District Attorney's office that represents the area of Pinellas Park going to talk to the media shortly about all of these investigations and all of their suspicions regarding Michael Schiavo and George Felos?

7. Has the District Attorney's office talked to Terri's parents regarding the plot to murder Terri for financial gain devised by Michael Schiavo and George Felos?

8. Will the courts intervene on Terri's behalf and
immediately grant guardianship and reinsertion of
the feeding tube pending the investigation of
Michael Schiavo's participation and collusion in the conspiracy of premeditated murder for financial gain plot against the intended victim, Terri Schiavo?

9. Why would any attorney in his or her right mind even consider representing Michael Schiavo against any upcoming civil trials when their Michael may be serving hard time very soon behind bars for conspiracy to murder Terri and the past instances of physical abuse, and previously attempted murder charges? I suspect his attorneys will drop their representation of him once he is official charged with conspiracy to murder and the other charges very shortly.

I have already sent an email to CNN.COM today asking some of these questions. Let us hope they will address them. Terri's case is no longer a Right to Die Case, it is now a premeditated conspiracy to murder case and is now and has been a crime for a long time. Let's make sure justice is done on Terri and her family's behalf and make sure Michael Schiavo and George Felos are held accountable for their long list of crimes. Let's also demand the media will cover the investigation of these crimes so if Terri does pass away, her death will not have been in vain and the truth will come out in the end.

Karen

Karen,

Two words: You Rock!

Peter